2279 redesignated and he suggested He's tremulous knowing hargis fld was everywhere, ppl wouldn't grab a pup by the collar shout angrily, then shove the pup's face nose-first into their own waste would they? If common sense applied to recall, it wouldn't be the single most-commonly poisoned cue We call the pup or dog OUT OF play with another dog, clip on the leash, drag her him off home. We call the dog while at home the garden, hustle her him into the house, leave... leaving a bored dog, stuck indoors. We call the dog, sleeping contentedly, into the bathroom bung her him into the tub, start combing with a vengeance, pull out snags tangles, fill the tub, yell at the dog for trying to shake off suds... the next time the dog hears, Cedar, COME!... WTH does the owner expect? Apparently, s he expects the dog to COME RUNNING :lol: rather than as often happens, to RUN... THE OTHER WAY. Plus, if i want to use reward-training a consistent way, i have to do something more than merely say, Good dog now again, or once a while offer a treat, a toy, or another reward. Praise is very low-value UNTIL the pup or dog has paired it with something more inherently potent A teen-dog who's had some training, or adult dog with a deep history of reward, respond much differently from a naive pup or untrained adult-dog praise won't be worth much at all, to either beginner, while a dog with happy past associations of praise with be happy to get praise... oh, pooh! Don't get huffy, U were speaking generalities; i know very well that U've trained many dogs, trained them very well. I'm also sure U did more than toss a casual, good dog, at them during training. Gundogs are also heavily rewarded by the activity training not of course, for yard manners sit, heel, etc; but by scents, birds, movement, stalking pointing retrieval finding... those are intensely rewarding. About the worst possible punishment is to be DENIED the opportunity. Clever trainers make considerable use of that tactic, too. :yesnod: I wish that were true... Actually, most people just train ineffectively of any methodology. Thing about +R is that it's not us humans who decide what is punishing or reinforcing, it's always the dog. I don't have to tell you how common it is to owner with a sensitive soul of a dog booming GOOD DOG at the dog and thumping him on the head while the dog shrinks away. Then that owner doesn't understand why the praise doesn't work. On the flip side is the rough and tumble dog who's owner screams and smacks him for being bouncy and the dog continues the behavior because he loves the reaction he gets out of the owner. yeah, no, not a lot of common sense, or observational skills floating around out there. As for the complicated scientific name part, eh... to each his own. I tend to like the concreteness of a scientific term, as it makes talking about different concepts less confusing for simple But I do believe there is both a science and to dog training both equally important I don't have to tell you how common it is to owner with a sensitive soul of a dog booming GOOD DOG at the dog and thumping him on the head while the dog shrinks away. Then that owner doesn't understand why the praise doesn't work. On the flip side is the rough tumble dog who's owner screams and smacks him for being bouncy, the dog continues the behavior because he loves the reaction he gets out of the owner. yeah, not a lot of common sense, or observational skills floating around out there. too, too true. :frown5: Doggone. When senses is contemplating motherhood, his friend and co-worker Tunney suggests the couple adopt a dog to if they're ready to raise a family. From a litter of newborn yellow Labrador retrievers they select Marley who immediately proves to be incorrigible. They take him to Ms. Kornblut who firmly believes any dog can be trained, but when Marley refuses to obey commands, she blows her whistle and Marley runs towards her and tackles her, pinning her to the and humping her on her leg. That gets Marley too far and Ms. Kornblut expels him from her class. Editor Arnie Klein offers a twice-weekly column which he can discuss the