General well local students a to escaping electrician, much artificial you think those grips look you can't shoot. Fix the and teach these guys how to shoot a gun properly. Claiming something is improper is just plain silly. Nothing is improper if it works. Sorry Mr Pistolero, but those methods do work and I have seen hundreds of folks trained using all the grip methods shown…male and female. That includes international folks. Those same folks have qualified on static courses of fire and on practical pistol courses…even shifting dominant hands. Get out more dearie. You are welcome. Get out more, dearie?, Mr. Pistolero? Please. Your methods are as outdated as your pathetic attempt at insults. Get out more? No non-military trainer has taught those methods better than two decades. Wanna know why? Because there are much better ways to do it. Techniques improve and evolve over time. You obviously 't. You should really seek out some training. You won't, but you should. Muskets still work too, you buffoon, but we've moved past those also. Figure out why. Like I said Mr Wick those different techniques are still being taught today… not everyone is ISPC acolyte. You really need to get out more but stop with the tactical nonsense…you look silly. I assume you have the shirt, pants, boots and shooting glasses too. Every shooter is different and there is not one way for anything. FLETC is not military dearie. Again, you are welcome. Wait…which one is the younger white Lol The one you mentioned has maybe the most reasonable grip of the group, but it's still terrible. His support hand is too low and relaxed…I have a feeling his strong hand isn't much better. If you want me to nit pick, his crossed thumbs are preventing more contact on the gun and his support hand should be way higher, and rotated forward. His middle finger knuckle should be pressed hard against the trigger guard that he starts forming a callus there. Maybe he is getting good groups at a reasonable rate of fire. He would be getting a BETTER rate of fire at the very least with a higher grip, with the support wrist locked forward. Grip is important, and the instructors here obviously aren't even aware of it. I when Iâd hear lines like â was the army and showed me how to handle a gunâ or ârecommend this particular gunâ like that should hold a bunch of weight. Unfortunately, military involvement has little bearing on firearms expertise. The Army has never been about weapons training and they never practice more then once a year. The almighty PT test is the all important factor PT every morning, tests twice a year and promotions heavy based on PT scores. For some reason the Army thinks you can out run bullets or push or sit up your enemy to death. It's been I 't remember if we qualified with our revolvers once or twice a year when I was on Active Duty the 70s. We DID have range qual with aircraft weapons twice a year. Guard unit, though, we qualified twice a year for the whole 22 years I was unit. Army pistol marksmanship is like physical fitness for cops: they are only good at it if they practice on their own time. The average Soldier gets a rudimentary PMI by NCO who probably is a rudimentary pistol shooter himself and a few mags of ammo for qualification, and that's it. Obviously the military still doesn't consider the pistol a serious weapon, nor do they expect troops to use it effectively. It's just a badge of rank and if the real shooting starts and you 't have a rifle, leave it the holster and run for cover. I was once a 11 bang bang at 101st. There was always two sides of the army. Not including Special Forces. The combat side of the army and the noncombat side of the army. But like I have spoken before these soldiers you this articles with the way they are handling the M17. It amazed me that the noncombat side of the army hasn't change a bit. Still lacks discipline regards to proper weapons training. No matter what the situation maybe. Train like you fight. that is the Isosceles stance that most military members are taught. The logic being your body armor is facing